Is Eli Manning an elite QB in your opinion?

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Is Eli Manning an elite QB in your opinion?
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Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Mar 21 2013, 02:07 AM Post #1
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	He won 2 Super Bowls and was MVP in both of them. But he has mediocre regular season stats. He's also inconsistent.
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+ KingOfAllSaiyans	Mar 21 2013, 02:11 AM Post #2
Posts: 2,925 Group: Elite Member Member #6,376 Joined: June 19, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Lol yes. ever since his first superbowl I've considered him an elite quarterback. There is no debate anymore after his second. Edited by KingOfAllSaiyans, Mar 21 2013, 02:11 AM.



Sam	Mar 21 2013, 02:12 AM Post #3
It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash. Posts: 24,391 Group: Community Admin Member #415 Joined: April 21, 2005 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z/Super, Hellsing Ultimate, Naruto/Shippuden, Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, FMA:B What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z/Super, Naruto/Shippuden, One Piece, Hellsing, Death Note	5,000 passing yards in 2011 is hardly mediocre! : And yes, in my mind he is. To me, elite is Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli... Elite is a guy who can single handedly take control of a game and pull out the win. Who does that more than Eli? I don't consider Joe Flacco elite because his only elite performance was in thjs last years' playoffs, otherwise he has just been solid. He's still a good QB, but, has more to prove.
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~~Volt the Mean~~	Mar 21 2013, 04:35 AM Post #4
Posts: 909 Group: Suspended Member #8,024 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender Male Country United States	He's a great QB for sure but elite? No. Inconstancy is what's keeping him back. IMO "Elite is Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Arron Rodgers, if you were to give me a choice between Eli and those three I just mentioned, I'd definitely pick either of the three over Eli. I put Eli in the same category with Rothlisberger, and Joe Flacco, great and SB winners but no way in hell "Elite"



Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Mar 21 2013, 07:25 PM Post #5
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	Necifix Mar 21 2013, 02:12 AM 5,000 passing yards in 2011 is hardly mediocre! : And yes, in my mind he is. To me, elite is Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Eli... Elite is a guy who can single handedly take control of a game and pull out the win. Who does that more than Eli? I don't consider Joe Flacco elite because his only elite performance was in thjs last years' playoffs, otherwise he has just been solid. He's still a good QB, but, has more to prove. he didn't have 5,000 passing yards in 2011 although he was close. And if you look at his stats compared to Brady, his brother, and Rodgers he's not at their level. He also hasn't had achievements like theirs besides his Super Bowl rings. btw, the SB rings argument isn't good enough. You didn't use it but that was just for anyone who would try using it.
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Noir	Mar 21 2013, 10:57 PM Post #6
Posts: 2,503 Group: Member Member #5,496 Joined: December 12, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop, Gun X Sword, Trigun, Hellsing, Metropolis, Akira, GITS, Miyazaki	I don't put him in the elite category either. Don't get me wrong, he would be the face of any franchise but he is just way to inconsistent in the regular season. And I'm also anti-superbowl winning arguments. If you go by Superbowls exclusively (not saying anyone here is) then you have to say Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino..child please. By the way, there's an NFL section Edited by Noir, Mar 21 2013, 10:57 PM.
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Pookie	Mar 22 2013, 12:21 AM Post #7
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	The only reason people still ask this question is because Eli Manning is related to Peyton Manning. If he had a different name, he'd already be considered an elite. If anything, I'd call him Mr. Clutch. When it comes to the playoffs, he is money. Eli Manning and the Giants beat Tom Brady and the Patriots twice. Let me add that in one of those victories the Patriots were undefeated. Eli Manning and the Giants beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers twice. Eli Manning and the Giants beat a Brett Favre and the Packers team in their cold environment in his first drive to Superbowl glory. Peyton Manning is great by all means, but when it comes to the playoffs, his brother outshines him. Edited by Pookie, Mar 22 2013, 12:25 AM.



+ KingOfAllSaiyans	Mar 22 2013, 12:24 AM Post #8
Posts: 2,925 Group: Elite Member Member #6,376 Joined: June 19, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	I cant help but laugh at a Tom Brady fan asking if Eli really is elite. After what I saw him do in the Giants last two superbowl runs, there is no question in my mind he is elite.



Pookie	Mar 22 2013, 12:28 AM Post #9
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Like I said, if his name was Eli Rodgers, he'd already be considered elite. I don't know what else he has to do to be honest. However, I think people just like to pull at his chain because of how his personality is. He is really laid back.



Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro	Mar 22 2013, 01:07 AM Post #10
Elder Posts: 1,080 Group: Member Member #9,167 Joined: March 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DB	Okay, I don't see how Eli is elite. Based on your logic you must believe he's twice the QB Peyton is because has twice as many rings right? Other than rings and clutch ability, you can't make any argument. He has like no broken records, poor stats compared to the other elites, and is inconsistent. Hell, his stats are just slightly better than Flacco's.
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Noir	Mar 22 2013, 03:45 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,503 Group: Member Member #5,496 Joined: December 12, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Cowboy Bebop, Gun X Sword, Trigun, Hellsing, Metropolis, Akira, GITS, Miyazaki	I hate Peyton..so it has nothing to do with who his brother is for me
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~~Volt the Mean~~	Mar 22 2013, 05:26 AM Post #12
Posts: 909 Group: Suspended Member #8,024 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender Male Country United States	Pookie Mar 22 2013, 12:21 AM The only reason people still ask this question is because Eli Manning is related to Peyton Manning. If he had a different name, he'd already be considered an elite. If anything, I'd call him Mr. Clutch. When it comes to the playoffs, he is money. Eli Manning and the Giants beat Tom Brady and the Patriots twice. Let me add that in one of those victories the Patriots were undefeated. Eli Manning and the Giants beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers twice. Eli Manning and the Giants beat a Brett Favre and the Packers team in their cold environment in his first drive to Superbowl glory. Peyton Manning is great by all means, but when it comes to the playoffs, his brother outshines him. WHOAH THERE HOLD UP, The first ring you guys know damn well that was pure luck if Tyree didn't catch that ball it was all over. And the Giants Vs. Niners last year come on Eli didn't even out play ALEX SMITH it took two lucky turnovers for you guys to win that game in OT! Clutch? No just stupid lucky! Edited by Volt the Mean, Mar 22 2013, 05:38 AM.



Pookie	Mar 22 2013, 02:41 PM Post #13
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Pure Luck? I clearly remember Tom Brady getting smashed into the ground several times by Michael Strahan and our great defense. Yeah, it was a lucky catch, but luck is needed to win superbowls especially against a team that was UNDEFEATED. The Giants went all out in that game. To take that victory away from them, is completely insulting. Eli Manning smashed the 49ers and Alex Smith this 2012-2013 regular season. Did you watch the game? When Eli Manning is on the ball, he is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Even analysts have said it. He doesn't get down on himself. He can handle a NY PRESS. The difference between Eli and other QBs is if Eli Manning throws 3 picks he can easily turn it into an amazing game. It's like he has no memory and never lets things get to him. You are just letting your bias control your common sense. I never said Eli was twice Peyton Manning. I said in the playoffs, Eli Manning is clutch. How can that be false? Also, I added that if Eli Manning's name was Eli Smith, this conversation would not be had right now. Everyone compares him to Peyton Manning and that's b.s. He is a quarterback in his own right. You don't win 2 superbowls in 4 years with just pure luck...sorry. We beat the packers, buccaneers, patriots, 49ers, all in the playoffs. They were all formidable teams. How is he not clutch? Just in case 49ers forgotten Am I really going to have to post the numbers between 49ers and the Giants again to show how the Giants defeated the 49ers and played a great game against them? Don't make me do it because honestly this topic has nothing to do with the 49ers. Eli Manning kept this drive alive too. Edit: Also, you want to compare Eli Manning to Peyton, Aaron, and Tom Brady. The difference between Eli and those three is that the Giants actually have a running game. He isn't forced to throw as much as a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers. Those three are the best today, but it isn't fair to put down Eli Manning just because he isn't a "legend" like his brother. In fact, he is a couple of years younger than his brother. Another difference is that Eli plays on a team that is a run first based team. The Giants have always been designed that way. The teams that Peyton, Aaron, and Tom Brady are on have like NO running game. How many times did you see the Packers run it? How many times did you see Peyton, with the Colts, run it? How many times did you see the New England Patriots run it? He has proven himself. I don't know what else he needs to do to prove to the haters that he is an elite. Edited by Pookie, Mar 22 2013, 03:14 PM.



~~Volt the Mean~~	Mar 22 2013, 03:58 PM Post #14
Posts: 909 Group: Suspended Member #8,024 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender Male Country United States	Pookie Mar 22 2013, 02:41 PM Pure Luck? I clearly remember Tom Brady getting smashed into the ground several times by Michael Strahan and our great defense. Yeah, it was a lucky catch, but luck is needed to win superbowls especially against a team that was UNDEFEATED. The Giants went all out in that game. To take that victory away from them, is completely insulting. I don't care if Eli beat the niners in last years regular season, and if he did they must have surely made the playoffs right... Oh wait they didn't. Why you ask? INCONSISTENCY! No there is clutch and they is luck, don't get it twisted Eli is PURE luck, Rothlisberger in the SB Vs. the Cardinals a couple years ago that was all clutch no luck was needed, same goes for the saints and so on. The main thing that got Eli both SB rings wasn't clutch anything just luck, Two fumbled punts, and a lobbed pass to the WR with the worst hands in the NFL. Btw you mentioned that Peyton, Brady, Arron, all had pass first offenses, well no shizz they don't need any run game at all they get to the playoffs and win SB's because of how good those QB's are. Eli isn't trusted in that fashion why? Because he is known to be very inconsistent, I remember a year or so ago where he led or was near the top of the nfl in INT's. All the reason I posted above is why there is much doubt when it comes Eli, he's great but not "Elite" simple as that. Edited by Volt the Mean, Mar 22 2013, 04:01 PM.



Pookie	Mar 22 2013, 04:51 PM Post #15
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Why don't you go look at 4th quarter comebacks and you'll probably see Eli there. He is clutch. I think when it comes down to it you are just butt hurt your 49ers got owned by Eli and lost again to Joe flaccid. You don't win 2 superbowls in a 4 year spans because of luck. The reason the giannts beat the patriots was because they have a balanced team. Eli doesn't have to throw all the time because the team can run. When he does throw it, it ends up being clutch. Also, Eli hasn't missed a snap since he started his rookie season. When it comes down to it, he is dependable ans tough. I think someone once said regular season means Jack squat. Go look at his playoff record and then come talk to me. Oh and at least we didn't have a 30 min blackout to help us either. Edited by Pookie, Mar 22 2013, 04:57 PM.



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